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Topic: Empirical evidence: you CANNOT lexigram everything
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Lake Dance unregistered
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posted May 18, 2007 10:09 AM
In Linda Goodman's Star Signs, Linda specified that if anything you intend to lexigram has all 5 vowels a, e, i, o, u in it, or has over 15 separated and/or different alphabets in it, then this entity does not want to be lexigrammed.Also, you can only lexigram in English, due to complex reasons concerning the English language's unique status, which can be traced back to millenia ago. Here's the evidence: Book title: Healing Depression & Bipolar Disorder Without Drugs Author: Gracelyn Guyol (By the way, I think this book sucks) ISBN-10: 080271496X ISBN-13: 978-0802714961 HEALING DEPRESSION & BIPOLAR DISORDER WITHOUT DRUGS A, e, i, o, u are all present. THIS IS TRUE; THIS IS NOT TRUE; THIS IS UNTRUE; THIS IS SO TRUE; THIS IS SO UNTRUE; THIS IS GOOD; THIS IS BAD; THIS IS NO GOOD; THIS IS NO BAD... Book title: The Pet Lover's Guide to Natural Healing for Cats & Dogs (I hate this book) Author: Barbara Fougere ISBN-10: 1416029869 ISBN-13: 978-1416029861 THE PET LOVER'S GUIDE TO NATURAL HEALING FOR CATS & DOGS A, e, i, o, u are all present. THIS IS TRUE; THIS IS NOT TRUE; THIS IS UNTRUE; THIS IS NOT UNTRUE; THIS IS ALL GOOD; THIS IS ALL EVIL; THIS IS NO GOOD; THIS IS NOT EVIL... ELECTROCONVULSIVE THERAPY A, e, i, o, u are all present. THIS SHALL HEAL THE ILL; THIS SHALL NEVER HEAL THE ILL; NO, THIS SHALL NOT HEAL THE ILL; YES, THIS SHALL HEAL THE ILL... Here lexigram comes to the junction with numerology. When we see words, we don't merely see lexigrams; we see the numerological vibrations in the words as well. There is a meaning why all 5 vowels present meaning the entity is not to be lexigrammed; there is a meaning why over15 separated and/or different alphabets present in the same entity means it does not want to be lexigrammed. Only English can be used for lexigrams. MEAT Its French counterpart (translation): AVIANDE/L'AVIANDE While MEAT would be lexigrammed as the following: EAT ME; EAT A MATE; A MATE ATE ME; MET A MATE, ATE A MATE; A MATE MET ME, ATE ME Its French word, AVIANDE/L'AVIANDE would not lead to the same results in French at all. In French, if you want words with identical meanings, it would be something like (I can't type the accents, sorry): MANGEZ MOI/MANGES MOI/MANGEONS MOI; UN COPAIN/UNE COPINE M'A MANGE; J'AI RENCONTRE UN COPAIN/UNE COPINE, A MANGE MON/UN COPAIN/MA/UNE COPINE; UN COPAIN/UNE COPINE M'A RENCONTRE, M'A MANGE Which you would never get from the word/s "AVIANDE/L'AVIANDE". French: APRES-COUP Its standard English translation is DEFERRED ACTION While its original German word is NACHTRAGLICHKEIT. (unable to type the accent, sorry) English: EAT French: MANGER German: ESSEN English: ZLATA'S DIARY French: LE JOURNAL DE ZLATA English: PARIS, I LOVE YOU French: PARIS, JE T'AIME French:L'AMANT English: THE LOVER French: L'AMANT DE LA CHINE DU NORT English: THE LOVER FROM THE NORTH OF CHINA Lake
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yourfriendinspirit unregistered
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posted May 18, 2007 01:30 PM
Lake Dance, In reference to the vowel thing I could not agree loud enough! In reference to the English Language only: while agree with this in theory, I have had a quite unique experience over the last 12 years or so while lexigraming regarding the Spanish language. Perhaps because it is so intermixed with the English language? Not really sure... [mind you: I speak, read, and write absolutely no Spanish]It seems while helping others, that if they are familiar to both languages both languages jump out at me. It is actually comical to me as I'm writing things down that are unfamiliar to me. Most recently I envisioned this sign while helping out a friend here on LL It read: "CON AMBAS MANOS RAMOS" I had to do a bit of research to discover that it was a warning sign meaning something like [drive with both hands on the wheel –safely?] it's posted here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001694.html Even a time or two I've found the French language jumping out while doing a lexigram. I always do my best to remain focused on the English lexigram at hand -but... hey, if the words are jumping out they are obviously meant to be. My only explaination for this as I hav'nt much researched this, is that the person/persons being lexigrammed are comfortable with this other language as well as the English language and use both intermittantly. What are your thoughts here? IP: Logged |
Lake Dance unregistered
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posted May 18, 2007 08:34 PM
yourfriendinspirit,Thanks for the feedback. My thoughts would be...I am forever learning, I will never graduate from this school of human evolution, and I should not want to, because I see no point in that so I will never want to graduate from this school, unless I have reached my next level. Therefore, I am forever learning, I will encourage myself to be as open as possible to new experiences, to new concepts, to different ideologies from other people; I will encourage myself to be open to all possibilities, instead of rejecting any notions that seem to be in opposition to my own; I will remind myself that when it comes to which languages can be used for lexigrams, I have merely begun my journey of learning, and I should be humble when it comes to valuable opinions from others who are more experienced than I, and whose wisdom I admire, and should not take for granted. These are my thoughts. Lake IP: Logged |
SunChild Moderator Posts: 2427 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 21, 2007 08:01 AM
I like your examples, I have had similar results attempting to lexi a long sentence with all vowels. It's a pointless exercise. As for the english language thing, I'm still not sure because I don't speak any other language so I can't test it out. Good work. IP: Logged |
Lake Dance unregistered
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posted May 21, 2007 08:18 AM
Hi SunChild,Thanks! Well, it wasn't really my own "attempt" to challenge the unchallengeable...it was my attempt to prove that some people (or just one person, or two, or three, mmm) who have been claiming they can lexigram everything- are WRONG. I was trying to prove that such blasphamy toward lexigrams is simply ludicrous. And thank God I proved it. By the way, I haven't posted anything to your threads, but I've always been wanting to say congrats and all the blessings with your baby in progress! Well, I hope I've put it the right way Lake IP: Logged |
fayte.m unregistered
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posted May 21, 2007 08:25 AM
quote: Thanks! Well, it wasn't really my own "attempt" to challenge the unchallengeable...it was my attempt to prove that some people (or just one person, or two, or three, mmm) who have been claiming they can lexigram everything- are WRONG.I was trying to prove that such blasphamy toward lexigrams is simply ludicrous. And thank God I proved it.
I do not agree; and have proven otherwise; but if you guys want to think all that go ahead. Yes it is not always easy but just because some of you cannot do it does not mean that others have troubles doing it. And as far as I know of, I am the only one who has claimed anything can be lexigrammed; so the not so sublte not naming who you are calling wrong is just silly. BTW.....you are wrong. PS.SC...I sent you an e-mail. ------------------ IP: Logged |
SunChild Moderator Posts: 2427 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 21, 2007 11:38 AM
Thanks for your blessings lake. Fayte, email received and appreciated, thanks! Since my last post I did witness a Lexi that broke Lindas' rules and turned out well. So I guess the possibilites are endless, and I don't believe anyone is wrong just for exploring the possibilities. I was just thinking, what if we found just as many lexis that turned out awesome as there are nonsense ones? how will the evidence stack up then? It's up to the individual to decide I guess and how they perceive a certain lexi. I don't think this is something that can ultimately be proven one way or another.
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Lake Dance unregistered
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posted May 22, 2007 07:33 AM
Thanks SunChild for your feedback,We might find it difficult to prove anything; but time will tell, and time will prove something. Lake IP: Logged |
fayte.m unregistered
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posted May 22, 2007 08:09 AM
SunChild! Thanks for looking at the complex Lexigram! I will let you know when more are posted. Blessings and Love to you! ------------------ IP: Logged |
yourfriendinspirit unregistered
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posted November 26, 2007 08:47 PM
Lake , are you still around?I have an interesting experiment for you if you're game?
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 12057 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 27, 2007 04:40 PM
Just playing Devil's Advocate, but just because a Lexigram appears to work out, does that mean it really worked? I mean, since you could get a large number of different words and phrases out of it, the Lexigramer could unintentionally make such a Lexigram say what the Lexigramer wants it to say (sabatoging the results). ------------------ "There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
fayte.m unregistered
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posted November 27, 2007 05:00 PM
To anyone thinking one can get most any word...I dare them to try to do their own version of: "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" And re-tell the fairy tale not something else! Yeah no leter "P"-"M" and more. Not as easy as it looks!Goldilocks and the Three Bears Thirty-Eighth President, Gerald Rudolph Ford, Junior Napoleone di Buonaparte The First President Abraham Lincoln The Spiral Chain Game was also not that easy! http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001276-4.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001276-5.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001276-6.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001276-7.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001276-8.html But it was fun! ------------------ IP: Logged |
fayte.m unregistered
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posted November 27, 2007 05:49 PM
quote: Just playing Devil's Advocate, but just because a Lexigram appears to work out, does that mean it really worked? I mean, since you could get a large number of different words and phrases out of it, the Lexigramer could unintentionally make such a Lexigram say what the Lexigramer wants it to say (sabatoging the results).
I have seen most folks removing letters then adding them. That DOES in my view definitely invalidate the truth and accuracy of the resulting Lexigram. THAT is forcing it to say what one wants not what is truly there. When one wants a Lexigram to reveal truth, one can get a false reading when letters not from the source are added. I see such words as happy come up in a Lexigram. Yet the source name only has one letter "P" and no letter "Y". LOVE is another word I have seen folks sneak in by ADDING the letter "E", but totally ingnoring the fact, that if they add an "E" to aquire LOVE from LOV......then if they have HAT in their name, by token of that added "E"....they are introducing HATE also.So aside from the "hiding" of added letters, by not setting them off, one is also adding meaning to a Lexigram which is simply not there. That is a false reading, no matter how one attempts to justify it. "One can Force a Lexigram to say whatever one desires it to say, by adding letters not found in the name or original word etcetera, being Lexigrammed. But that negates the validity and truth of it." I personally find that unethical to do to anyone I do Lexigramming for. So add all you want, if that is your thing. But please be fair, and honest, and set the added letters off properly as Linda said to do. This way, the person the Lexigram is for, knows at a glance, where the most validity and weight of truth is. They can worry less about, or not take as seriously then, any of the added words. IP: Logged |
fayte.m unregistered
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posted November 27, 2007 05:57 PM
Additionally... even with a large number of words available...the Alphabet Challenge is still not easy. Folks were still slipping in double letters into words and it was not easy to find good substitutes to replace those words. Often it required a new phrase instead of a word synonym. Try out the game! It is not that easy! http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001747.html ------------------
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fayte.m unregistered
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posted November 27, 2007 06:15 PM
Here are some examples of NON English anagramming. Same can be done with Lexigramming, as most folks are beginning to realize.For example: (yes, I know this is an anagram..but it will serve for now) AVE MARIA, GRATIA PLENA, DOMINUS TECUM (“Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.” can be anagrammed to become VIRGO SERENA, PIA, MUNDA ET IMMACULATA “Virgin serene, holy, pure, and immaculate.” Notice that the phrase is a Perfect Anagram in Latin only. When translated into the English, we can see the meanings are similar, but there is no longer an anagrammatical relationship. Here is another: A famous Latin anagram was an answer made out of a question asked by Pilate. The question was: "QUID EST VERITAS?" (What is the truth?), and the answer: "EST VIR QUI ADEST" (it is the man who stands before you). I am currently trying to learn non Engish alphabets to Lexigram in other languages not just those based on the English alphabet. I really do not see what the problem is. Anything written or spoken or heard by our ears is Lexigrammable! Even the wind's sounds or your cat's meows. ------------------ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 12057 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 29, 2007 11:41 PM
I think Linda was referring to the Lexigram (in English) holding Truths hidden by the word druids--not that words couldn't be taken from the letters of other words in other languages. ------------------ "There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
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posted November 29, 2007 11:57 PM
Thanks Randall That makes sense from her point of view. To each their own! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 12057 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 01, 2007 03:55 PM
No worries!------------------ "There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
fayte.m unregistered
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posted January 14, 2008 09:10 AM
Thanks Randall! IP: Logged |
Pumpkin Peace unregistered
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posted January 15, 2008 07:46 AM
From reading what Linda said about this, I got the impression that the word COULD be lexigrammed even with all the vowels, but it's just very complex and hard to decipher. I guess if it has less vowels, the meaning is a lot clearer and simpler, therefore, easier to prove. I don't know.. that's just the thought that came to me.
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fayte.m unregistered
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posted January 15, 2008 09:32 AM
quote: I guess if it has less vowels, the meaning is a lot clearer and simpler, therefore, easier to prove.
My take is that if you remove any letters then your resulting Lexigram is no longer based on the complete and true original word or name, phrase, date, etcetera. So because of that is loses accuracy and completeness. I hope that makes sense. IP: Logged |
Pumpkin Peace unregistered
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posted March 06, 2008 07:05 PM
Not that you have to actually remove any letters from what you want to lexigram. I'm just saying that the shorter the word, the easier it is to find what you're looking for, and there is less chance of you getting something false. Like lexigrams of a single word.IP: Logged |
LEXX Moderator Posts: 7777 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 06, 2008 07:33 PM
quote: Not that you have to actually remove any letters from what you want to lexigram. I'm just saying that the shorter the word, the easier it is to find what you're looking for, and there is less chance of you getting something false. Like lexigrams of a single word.
Please show some examples. And are you speaking of words, or names, phrases, dates...etcetera? And why would one get something false if it is from the source? Unless someone was trying to only pick either positive or negative aspects, then how can it be false? Also many words are so common as to have little real meaning when found, such as "A", "Ra", "are", "no" and so forth. Not sure what you mean. Thanks! PS, Please go to the links I posted above to some of my Lexigram examples. ------------------ "Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat........."
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 12057 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2008 03:05 PM
------------------ "There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged | |