posted March 16, 2008 05:13 PM         

all ways should be accepted...

that said...

accept mistakes, which can be Magic,
and be polite, not rude, if you must make
a correction!

LOve and Reverence to ALL. ...

posted March 16, 2008 05:19 PM         

Balance!

Harmony!

Peace!

Meeting in the Middle!

50/50

posted March 16, 2008 05:29 PM         

See----word druids and Magic!

if you follow fayte-Lexx's way, there
is no room for that!

Understand

posted March 16, 2008 06:09 PM         

Delve into the mysteries of words and phrases, and see what secret meanings....

Lexx/Fayte does lexigram for mysteries, secret meaning, etc, just has a different approach.

posted March 16, 2008 06:16 PM         

Yup Yup Yup

posted March 16, 2008 08:37 PM         

Well, I don't think we should have to restrict lexigramming to any one way here. Should we restrict the Astrology Forum to only using the Equal House system as it was the one Linda favored? Or how about in UC where people sometimes post numerological readings/caluclations that are not based on the system Linda shared in Star Signs?

I adore Linda's work and am constantly awed by her insight but, as the saying goes, different strokes for different folks.

I think the problem is not so much which way is right as it is people getting defensive about what other people are doing.

When it comes to correcting errors, it would be my personal preference (not as a mod, just as a member) if we all refrained from automatically correcting others. Maybe it's someone's first post, maybe their first try. Just because I wouldn't be uncomfortable with someone telling me I did this or that "wrong" doesn't mean that approach is going to work with everyone, no matter how well intended. I don't think LEXX is being malicious by pointing out errors, either. But we also have to see the individualtiy of each situation. If I don't agree with LEXX's way of doing them, for example, than her "correcting" me doesn't really apply. If I disagree with Linda's way of doing them then "correcting" me with her rules doesn't make much sense, either. Sure, we can discuss which way is more accurate or how they compare or whatever. But why not create a topic for that and bump it when you feel it is appropriate instead of bringing those ideas up in any threads that you feel are "incorrect"? Or, instead, simply make contact with another member and find out what they're trying to do or what their method is, or how they feel about your method, or if they'd appreciate your input, etc. It only takes one conversation to understand what another person's preferences are and I think, considering this situation for example, that it might be nice to do that in the future instead of letting something so simple go on this way.

I also think we have to try to respect each other's boundaries. If 26t, for whatever reason, wishes to have her lexigrams left alone ... well, what is so hard about that? No, she certainly doesn't own a thread and we are not obligated to leave them alone but, in the spirit of tolerance and cooperation, can't we just accept that those are her wishes and try to respect them? We (generally) are not obligated to respond, positively or negatively, supportively or critically, to anyone, either.

posted March 16, 2008 09:46 PM         

Someone can easily come in and disagree with Fayte/Lexx very respectfully, and point out where this person feels she made an error. It would be logical to respect them also, as much as Fayte/Lexx disagrees.

posted March 16, 2008 10:51 PM         

I do agree that it is not often a problem and it's a fine line to walk between free-to-express and keep-it-civil, you know? But I think there are cases that push the boundaries ... or that can potentially get out of hand. I just like the preventative approach, I guess.

Let's see ... most of us here are open to different ideas regarding religion. But let's say member X is (since it is one of the most controversial ones on the boards) a Born Again Christian. And let's say that member made a post about how they see Christianity. Well, sure, we could all hop on in and say you're wrong because [blank]. And member X might be okay with that and we could each post our views and we could all learn from each other. That would be ideal, imo. But what if member X feels harassed? What if member X says, "Hey, guys, I appreciate that you don't agree with me and I'm not trying to change your minds. But isn't it just okay if I post what I believe and discuss it with anyone who may be like-minded without everyone trying to prove me wrong all the time?"

What's the reaction then? Do we uphold debating as free expression or respecting an individual's feelings as most important? (I'm actually asking, btw.)

Yes, lexigrams may not fall into the same category, I know. But in the end it all comes down to what we believe. I don't mind that we all don't agree. I find it fascinating. But, like with LEXX. I could've been a real tightwad and gotten on her case for not doing lexigrams Linda's way. Instead of trying to understand her way and trying to learn from her perspective, I could've put her on the spot to defend herself or I could've just point blank shut down and refused to hear a word of it. Would I have been wrong to do that? Maybe not at first. But what if I just wouldn't let it go? What if I just refused to accept our differences and made a point of pointing out what I consider her "errors" all the time? It might be allowed but I'd have to take responsibility for being unnecessarily disagreeble, no? Wouldn't that be the position taken if my imaginary member X, instead of simply sharing his/her views, went around posting how wrong everyone is in their beliefs and how s/he can prove it by quoting the Bible? I mean, okay, you disagree. But isn't there a point where defending "your way" all the time can be disruptive to the other posters, depending on how you go about it?

I think, at first, before things kept going on and on, that 26t handled herself very well. She said she didn't agree with LEXX's way and wasn't interested in debating. She asked, not for the whole thread to be ignored but for LEXX to simply not edit her work for her. She also suggested that if LEXX had a lexigram she considered more appropriate, to feel free to post it ... which clearly suggests she has no problem with LEXX doing it her own way or with seeing the differences in the two styles. But then came the defensiveness, on both sides, and here we are.

So, I guess the real question for us all is, do you think no one can request to have their work/beliefs/ideas not picked apart?

posted March 17, 2008 12:16 AM         

(now, i'm not addressing this next part to you, Eleanore. just putting my latest thoughts out there to everyone)

While I still completely agree with Juni's initial post, I can also see where everyone else is coming from and am able to agree with some of their veiws too.

So I guess that explains to Randall how I could say two different things in one breath. I think most of you here can see where I have been coming from.

IMO, Juniperb's intent in starting this thread was to try and find a way to bring some peace to this issue and forum. I think she was hoping that maybe we could all get clear on a few things which would enable us all to reach an agreement and open the way for peace and harmony in the future.

She may have also been trying to help some of us take a closer look at how this forum is being run and at ourselves. I think it was her way of trying to help us all find a happy medium, so everyone could get along now and in the future.

I think she brought up a great point in mentioning that this is a site devoted to Linda Goodman and her teachings, so why not lean towards "her way"? It would seem to make things more peaceful, no? I think that makes great sense.

I am only assuming these things about juniper and her good intentions here now.

quote:

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That`s not to say one couldn`t work branch out and lexigram differently but would provide a solid rule of thumb standard for lexigraming. That basic standard would set a guideline and eliminate the misunderstandings caused by so many different personal rules.

-juni

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See? There it is.

No matter which way you want to slice or dice it, it is still pretty hard to radically alter the way one does a lexigram (or anagrams) anyway? I mean, we are sort of limited whether we like it or not. We take some a word, or a name, or a phrase and rearrange the letters to make other words in hopes of finding out ------ the secrets of the universe!
lol j/k.
In hopes of finding out some hidden mysteries within it. We humans are a riot.

Sure, we can make up our own rules about how many vowels to use, bracketing or capitalizing etc, but I think we all should get comfortable with the fact that people are going to do whatever they want regardless. Whether they are rebelling against another's system or just simply not aware of all the other sets of rules that are out there.

Back to Eleanore. You asked some fantastic questions and illuminated some core issues.

I would love to hear some of the other's responses. Tonight though, I'd like to take a break from all of this and relax.

We are breaking some new ground in this thread and I think that's really nice. Earlier at work I was wishing we could all just get along and love each other. Its really not that hard to with a little trying. We are all good people here, that is something I am positive of. Some of us are stubborn and have strong opinions and voice them. We are all learning and helping each other become better human beings. I dont want to hurt people anymore. I try not to. We are a family and sometimes we will argue. I thank each and everyone of you (especially the ones that get me going )

Thankfully we have wise Grandmother types like Juni and Eleanore and many others to help us out and take a different look at things here.

Thank you all for the growing experiences.

posted March 17, 2008 12:42 AM         

quote:

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But what if member X feels harassed? What if member X says, "Hey, guys, I appreciate that you don't agree with me and I'm not trying to change your minds. But isn't it just okay if I post what I believe and discuss it with anyone who may be like-minded without everyone trying to prove me wrong all the time?"

What's the reaction then? Do we uphold debating as free expression or respecting an individual's feelings as most important? (I'm actually asking, btw.)

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Eleanore, I totally agree with what you are writing. Of course, we do not want anyone feeling harrassed. Actually, I haven't seen anyone bothered about it really until now (errors being fixed). I think 26T, just now had enough...LOL, maybe she was having a long day, or was simply being a STUBBORN Taurus about it, as usuall; she likes drama! Kidding, 26T... LOL , just trying to lighten things up here.

posted March 17, 2008 12:46 AM         

quote:

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I do not agree either, Juniperb. I think everyone should feel welcomed to lexigram in any way they want. I don't think it should be Linda's way only. I also do not see anything wrong with other's fixing errors in lexigraming. I also do not think it's rude to fix someone's errors when they post a lexigram on the boards for everyone to see, even if they didn't ask to have errors corrected. We do not own the threads nor the forum, etc... I also think most people here are adult enough to acknowledge and perhaps understand that there's a possibility that there are many different ways to do a Lexigram. We don't have to agree with everyone's ways, but we can sit and watch.

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posted March 17, 2008 12:46 AM         

that's right silverstone, it's a Taurus
Thang!

posted March 17, 2008 12:51 AM         

Drama, the arts, like poetry and visual arts and "acting" to have fun with people or get them to laugh is something i enjoy trying to do. I have Mars and Saturn in Leo in the seventh house. The Leo planets make my heart big. The Venus in Gemini makes my heart light.

There is nothing wrong with drama or being stubborn really! So I take what you said as a compliment. But both of these things can be taken to the extreme, yes. IMO I for the most part do not do that.

Maybe you see me differently. But I think I am a pretty nice and reasonable person.

posted March 17, 2008 12:54 AM         

I will see if I can find it!

lotus, you will love this too...

posted March 17, 2008 01:02 AM         

quote:

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lotusheartone
Knowflake
Posts: 62
From: MOther & Father GOd
Registered: Feb 2008
posted March 17, 2008 12:51 AM
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Low Blow, and not needed. ...
just like your joke...

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Nah, you just take yourself a little too serious at times, I was kidding

posted March 17, 2008 01:06 AM         

me, Sirius

giggles

and giggles

posted March 17, 2008 01:27 AM         

"The bull seldom rushes forward to stomp on your toes. He simply wants to be left alone. Don't disturb him and he'll remain contented. Press him and he becomes obstinate. Shove too hard, tease too much, and be prepared for violent rage. He can go for months and years on end. exhibiting perfect poise and control, inhaling the fragrance of the posies and ignoring the nervous clacking and cluckĄ©ing all around him. Then some unexpected day, a pushy person will pile one straw too many on his broad back. He'll snort, begin to paw the earth, narrow his eyes-and charge. "

"Speaking of obstinacy, there's no use telling a Taurean He (or she) is obstinate. In the bull's mind, he's not stubborn at all. He's patient. It's a matter of semantics. He's not hardheaded-he's just sensible and firm. For the life of him, he can't see why people judge him so unfairly."

"The truth is that Taurus is as stubborn as a human can be and not actually turn into solid stone. Taurean men and women seem to be glued to both their seats and their opinions. A Taurus husband will refuse to accompany his wife to a friend's house if there are no comfortable chairs there for him to sit in. She can plead in vain. He just won't go. A Taurus woman who doesn't approve of her husĄ©band's cronies simply will not talk to them. Still, the bulls can also claim the virtue of patience with justification. Many a Taurean bears emotional and physical burdens in silence for years without complaint. The higher the troubles pile up, the more strength Taurus finds to bear them. His loyalty and devotion to family and friends often surpass all understanding. Lots of Taurus men and women deserve gold medals for courage under blows of fate that would have long ago broken the back of those born under other Sun signs. Fine. I'll go along with awarding a blue ribbon in recognition of the Taurus fortitude. But he's still stubborn."

"His home is his castle-and let no man disturb the peace of the bull. Taurus is as patient as time itself, as deep as the forest, with a dependable strength that can move mountains. But he's stubborn."

She's good.

Hey! At least one of us signs of the zodiac has to be! You should thank us!